tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-721799301702528076.post6303325713568200018..comments2023-10-17T05:44:23.781-04:00Comments on COAST - Fighting for the taxpayers, not working against them!: Streetcar: Only $31,997,065 in private funds to go!COASThttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16200778324645740094noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-721799301702528076.post-82973553572664969452009-05-23T14:10:48.456-04:002009-05-23T14:10:48.456-04:00^ Wow that's a pretty apocalyptic prediction. Are ...^ Wow that's a pretty apocalyptic prediction. Are you overstating for effect? Or do you really believe that a city law could dictate state or federal actions?<br /><br />The money at issue for the streetcar project belongs to City citizens. It's perfectly reasonably for them to demand to pre-approve spending on massive passenger rail transit projects. Frankly, voters are tired of rail junkies COASThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16200778324645740094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-721799301702528076.post-6948272423414754612009-05-23T13:38:01.429-04:002009-05-23T13:38:01.429-04:00COAST is a seriously damaged in the head. Here's t...COAST is a seriously damaged in the head. Here's the bigger picture:<br /><br />Indiana, Pennsylvania, and New York are all working on rail systems that will connect with Ohio's DOT Hub system (3C). Northern Kentucky is on board and wants to connect with Cincinnati. <br /><br />So, COAST basically wants to change the Cincinnati Constitution to shoot down rail initiatives. Thinking that they are Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-721799301702528076.post-86092843814318449392009-04-17T19:30:00.000-04:002009-04-17T19:30:00.000-04:00Bris Chortz: Yes, I said "if", but my point is th...Bris Chortz: Yes, I said "if", but my point is that calling the Streetcar a "coal-burning locomotive in disguise" is illogical, and we could easily get the minimal amount of power required by the Streetcar from renewable energy or less-polluting nonrenewable sources. Opposing the Streetcar based on its power source doesn't make sense, unless you secretly oppose all development in the entire Travis Estellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02707965541974281483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-721799301702528076.post-16661778662395429762009-04-17T12:53:00.000-04:002009-04-17T12:53:00.000-04:00This exercise should help those like Travis.
The ...This exercise should help those like Travis.<br /><br />The streetcar (capital and operations)will be funded by:<br />A) The taxpayers<br />B) Corporate donations<br />C) Santa Claus<br />D) Increased revenues due to new private development and investment<br />E) A leprechaun's pot of gold<br /><br />If you answered A) The Taxpayers you are correct. Why?<br /><br />BECAUSE THE OTHER FOUR Bris Chortznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-721799301702528076.post-60982878026412641962009-04-17T12:48:00.000-04:002009-04-17T12:48:00.000-04:00"What IF the University of Cincinnati agreed to se..."What IF the University of Cincinnati agreed to sell the City the additional electricity required to run the Streetcar from its natural gas power plant in Corryville?"<br /><br />That's a huge IF Travis. Let me add to it. What IF the streetcars could be powered by magical, rainbow beams bestowed on us by the Streetcar Fairy?Bris Chortznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-721799301702528076.post-26391554304095743712009-04-17T12:42:00.000-04:002009-04-17T12:42:00.000-04:00Anon 4:11 said - "Who are your backers Mr. Gloyd? ...Anon 4:11 said - "Who are your backers Mr. Gloyd? The auto lobby? The highway construction lobby? I intend to find out."<br /><br />It's much worse and more devious than you thought Anon!<br /><br />I saw Gloyd exiting a limo last night and entering an upscale restaurant with Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Haliburton Execs, David Duke, Rush Limbaugh, and representatives from Big Oil, Big Tobacco, and Vast Right Wing Conspiracynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-721799301702528076.post-5992769288876759752009-04-17T01:12:00.000-04:002009-04-17T01:12:00.000-04:00Kurt, you are absolutely right. Mr. Miller, I apol...Kurt, you are absolutely right. Mr. Miller, I apologize for jumping the gun and not taking the time to realize you weren't insulting me, but instead complimenting me. That shows poor judgment on my part and I apologize for that. "Jumping to conclusions" is not what you did, but what I did and I apologize. <br /><br />Let it be known though, that while I still feel there are many misconceptions Ronny Salernohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09028420637930256541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-721799301702528076.post-36121860676690532032009-04-16T08:14:00.000-04:002009-04-16T08:14:00.000-04:00QCD I think Mr. Miller was actually paying you a c...QCD I think Mr. Miller was actually paying you a complement.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00662303735692306930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-721799301702528076.post-25257789586111432172009-04-16T00:38:00.000-04:002009-04-16T00:38:00.000-04:00^To the anon. commenter above it. Mr. Gloyd may cl...^To the anon. commenter above it. Mr. Gloyd may claim to see a "boondoggle," but his reasons for calling it one are quite irrational and misleading. Also, I fail to see how the public is "on the hook" for this considering no one in Hamilton County will be taxed for the streetcar line and no one in Cincinnati proper is currently being taxed or has been taxed for streetcar funding. That majority ofRonny Salernohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09028420637930256541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-721799301702528076.post-13410002900124902592009-04-15T23:59:00.000-04:002009-04-15T23:59:00.000-04:00anonymous, why does gloyd have to have a backer? ...anonymous, why does gloyd have to have a backer? perhaps he sees a boondoggle and doesn't want to see the taxpayers on the hook for the bortz family boondoggle act of 2009! You want to check out backers, why don't you check out how many towne properties owned buildings are along the proposed streetcar line.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-721799301702528076.post-71282073259829775562009-04-15T16:11:00.000-04:002009-04-15T16:11:00.000-04:00Light rail and streetcar systems have been proven ...Light rail and streetcar systems have been proven time and time again to pay for themselves many times over in new development and increased tax revenue for the host city. They also make cities more livable and increase downtown residential property values. That's not to mention their value as a transportation alternative, especially for those who choose not own a car or can't afford one (Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-721799301702528076.post-36699766244047108702009-04-15T15:27:00.000-04:002009-04-15T15:27:00.000-04:00Maybe I missed it somewhere along the line. Why e...Maybe I missed it somewhere along the line. Why exactly are you so opposed to this?<br />This will be great for not only the city but the region, as Northern KY is on board and would like to connect when Cincinnati builds their lines.<br />Is Coast aware of the development, and investment that has already happened in the areas along the proposed route? Why would you not want to support small Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00662303735692306930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-721799301702528076.post-69091701554759831222009-04-15T11:29:00.000-04:002009-04-15T11:29:00.000-04:00Most of the CEOs are in favor of the streetcar, bu...Most of the CEOs are in favor of the streetcar, but are holding off on saying anything or committing funds until they know when it will best benefit them. No specific amounts have been mentioned to me specifically, but it doesn't take long to raise $31 million if you have a couple of big donors. I kind of view Procter & Gamble, 5/3 and Kroger as major players that could seal this deal Randy Simeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14272257274373604807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-721799301702528076.post-32203080186407858522009-04-15T10:15:00.000-04:002009-04-15T10:15:00.000-04:00Jason,
What if the University of Cincinnati agree...Jason,<br /><br />What if the University of Cincinnati agreed to sell the City the additional electricity required to run the Streetcar from its natural gas power plant in Corryville? UC supports the Streetcar proposal, so they might be interested in selling the energy to the city for the same price as Duke's electricity. This would eliminate the emissions problem associated with coal.Travis Estellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02707965541974281483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-721799301702528076.post-11686873411566932262009-04-15T09:30:00.000-04:002009-04-15T09:30:00.000-04:00Queen City Discovery deleted his own post. That's ...Queen City Discovery deleted his own post. That's why it says, "removed <B>by the author.</B>"<br /><br />I happened to be online and got a peek at it before he whacked it. I don't remember exactly what it said, but it was nearly identical to the one below it, minus a sentence that was a little too biting and snarky. Nothing bad really, it just didn't portray his usual character and class.<br /><Mark Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15155390616574310800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-721799301702528076.post-76688351624275613752009-04-15T08:20:00.000-04:002009-04-15T08:20:00.000-04:00I wonder if the outspoken Mr. Gloyd, who seems ver...I wonder if the outspoken Mr. Gloyd, who seems very concerned about how the City chooses to spend its money, even resides within the City?<br /><br />I also wonder if his concern for the source of electricity generation in the region has led him to take his own home off the grid, lest it be deemed a coal-burning home?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-721799301702528076.post-90631202675621270572009-04-15T07:55:00.000-04:002009-04-15T07:55:00.000-04:00I'd be curious to know what Queen City Discovery s...I'd be curious to know what Queen City Discovery said, that COAST felt the need to censor.<br />Hmmm. Suspicious.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-721799301702528076.post-8250620652152828512009-04-14T23:44:00.000-04:002009-04-14T23:44:00.000-04:00Jason: The streetcar's are powered by overhead ele...Jason: The streetcar's are powered by overhead electric wires. They run on clean, electric motors. They are not "Coal burning locomotives in disguise" as you liked to put it on the Bill Cunningham show. Cincinnati power depends on a lot more sources than just the coal burning plants along the river. You also have natural gas turbines and methane processing plants as well as tidal and Ronny Salernohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09028420637930256541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-721799301702528076.post-142330834889753432009-04-14T23:32:00.000-04:002009-04-14T23:32:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ronny Salernohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09028420637930256541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-721799301702528076.post-61150636391388955362009-04-14T16:43:00.000-04:002009-04-14T16:43:00.000-04:00Obviously you are ignoring the $3.5 million pledge...Obviously you are ignoring the $3.5 million pledged by Duke Energy. We will find out from Milton Dahoney if other companies have pledged money to the project as well. Perhaps companies like Kroger and Procter & Gamble, who support the Streetcar project, have stepped up pledged money. We won't know for sure until the City Manager reports back on the subject.Travis Estellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02707965541974281483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-721799301702528076.post-89624365887713463162009-04-14T13:33:00.000-04:002009-04-14T13:33:00.000-04:00Would be nice if we could do that, unfortunately y...Would be nice if we could do that, unfortunately you can't take elected officials at their word.Jason Gloydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15245055966218274267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-721799301702528076.post-5735430345769115092009-04-14T11:08:00.000-04:002009-04-14T11:08:00.000-04:00Well, if the city can't raise the money I guess yo...Well, if the city can't raise the money I guess you can call off your petition drive, right?Chris Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00515781796690431306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-721799301702528076.post-20523239305332060432009-04-14T10:33:00.000-04:002009-04-14T10:33:00.000-04:00How is it powered then? Please enlighten us. Wha...How is it powered then? Please enlighten us. What other companies have pledged support? How much? When?Jason Gloydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15245055966218274267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-721799301702528076.post-71674417380479661542009-04-14T08:21:00.000-04:002009-04-14T08:21:00.000-04:00Well you see there's a lot of corporations who hav...Well you see there's a lot of corporations who have promised to donate to the private funds of the streetcar. Companies like Duke Energy have pledged financial support and donations once a concise and more final plan is adopted. The problem is there are these groups going around spreading lies about the streetcar system and promoting it as a "Coal powered locomotive" among many other Ronny Salernohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09028420637930256541noreply@blogger.com